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Post by Capo on Apr 7, 2007 13:10:57 GMT
Superman Returns Bryan Singer 2006 USA Five years after returning to his home planet, Superman comes back to Earth and saves the world from Lex Luther's plans. Action comedy, really, and it's good stuff. In fact, it's very good stuff, at times. A tad long, and the final quarter isn't nearly as good as the first three, but it boasts a shameless charm and succession of cheesy one-liners, a very old-fashioned goodie versus baddie plot with adequate enough romantic interest. A better lead could have helped, because this one is cardboard, but the action scenes are really cool in an "I wish I was Superman" kind of way.
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Post by svsg on Aug 3, 2008 18:59:35 GMT
I remember it to be one of the most ludicrous movies I've seen. I went with my friends to the cinema and remember laughing at a lot of unintentionally funny scenes.... like superman lifting a boat. Had I remembered more, I would have offered a more meaningful criticism, oh well...
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Post by ronnierocketago on Aug 3, 2008 19:32:33 GMT
SUPERMAN RETURNS (2006) - **1/2Good ideas mean squat if they're botched in the execution. Seriously, Bryan Singer had such a great idea and he just drops the damn ball. Considering how this decade so far has been a disaster for the world so far, the idea of the messianic Superman returning to Earth to clean the whole mess is a nice fantasy idea. You can make wonders with such a concept (instead of rehashing the Superman myth that Richard Donner did right the first time around). But damn, the problems with Singer's execution are: (1) I don't care if Supes wanted to see if his people are truely dead or not. I don't buy the concept that he would just leave Earth, and his massive responsibilities he took upon himself, for a 5 year trip. Singer had this half-ass idea, later deleted, that Lex Luthor "faked" the scientific data about Kryptonians possibly still living, so that Supes would leave Earth and without Supes testifying at his trial, Luthor gets acquitted. Again, why would Supes abandon THAT responsibility at least? (2) The cast is too young. Now as much as I was surprised with Brandon Routh's work, for he's surprisingly a pretty good Superman, the problem isn't the acting, its just that to make such a concept of Superman missing out on love and family, there has to be a middle-age sensibility and melancholy to this tale. Basically the popcorn happy version of WATCHMEN, you could say. I would have wanted to visually represented that Supes and Luthor has battled time and time before, but this leads into the next problem. (3) I like the rough idea of Singer using the Donner SUPERMAN movies as the "continuity foundation," but Singer keeps junk that nobody I'm sure ever cared for, like the damn camp humor. I don't want a Lex Luthor who is obsessed with real estate or has incompetent underlings or isn't much of a true threat to Supes. (4) I wanted a ruthless bastard Luthor. I want a guy who could have been a great benefit to humanity, except he's obsessed with domination and power. I wanted a Lex Luthor like Clancy Brown voice-acted in the 1990's animated Timm/Bruce-era. You know, the sort who would openly call the Legion of Doom's leader a fool, pulls out a gun and blow away Gorilla Grodd, and takes over the leadership. I want Luthor to be a bad mother fucker. (5) If Superman's kid could throw a damn piano, why couldn't he lift off the door he was locked in? (6) Take those moments when Supes makes his triumphant return or when he's near death. They should be in a better movie. Sadly, the biggest failure for SUPERMAN RETURNS is symbolic in itself. You have Lois Lane winning a Pulitzer for writing a column titled "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman." But she nor anyone ever explains exactly why. Thing is, you could actually make an argument against Supes. I mean, Kevin Spacey is right, Superman is damn selfish with his Kryptonian technology. Sure he creates a cool shack and all in the Fortress of Solitude, and beats up bank robbers weekly but share it with the rest of the human race to better it? No. Or the fact that he is practically a God that, if he wanted to, he could take control of the world in order to "save" it. Instead, Singer wastes this ripe-idea into making Lane look like some bitch who's peaved off that Supes left town after knocking her up, who is then won over in the end. Then again, talented filmmakers tend to drop the ball when they're brains are too wrecked by prescription pill-abuse and getting sex favors from desperate male actors & assistants looking for jobs. One wonders on the set of that WW2 drama Singer is making, who is more screwed up: Him or Tom Cruise?
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Post by Capo on Aug 3, 2008 19:41:21 GMT
I'm not sure if Superman lifting a boat is ridiculous. Is it?
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Post by svsg on Aug 3, 2008 21:05:10 GMT
I'm not sure if Superman lifting a boat is ridiculous. Is it? Indeed it is
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Post by Blib on Aug 3, 2008 23:36:12 GMT
You must not understand who and what Superman is then? Lifting a boat is nothing compared to flying so fast in the opposite direction of the Earth's rotation that he actually makes the Earth spin backwards thus going back in time in order to save his woman from dying.
Lifting a boat seems reasonable to me.
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Post by RNL on Aug 3, 2008 23:48:51 GMT
I hate Superman. Well, the Fleischer Bros' cartoons are mostly cute, but how the fuck anyone ever thought they could construct compelling drama around that character is beyond me. I remember being bored out of my wits watching this film.
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Post by Capo on Aug 4, 2008 0:27:23 GMT
I think he's an everyday fantasy made flesh. Difficult to make "compelling drama" out of him, true; but the drama, if there is any, doesn't come from his superhero antics, but from his Clark Kent love life. I wish you'd make more of an effort on threads like this. Or this. (God knows we love it when you do.)
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Post by RNL on Aug 4, 2008 0:37:59 GMT
I haven't even seen Diary of the Dead yet. :/
I have been meaning to lay out my thoughts on Into the Wild. I actually made a post about it on the CHUD boards immediately after seeing it, since they all loved the shit out of it, but I can't find it. My opinion of it's lower now than it was then, too. I'll get to it eventually. I need to shit all over The Dark Knight first.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Aug 4, 2008 1:45:01 GMT
Really, how does one make a complelling movie about a seemingly perfect man who is actually a superhero from the planet Krypton?
Who cares? Where's the drama? Where's the development? Although, I did like Frank Miller's take of Superman in his comic, "The Dark Knight Returns". That's the direction Supes should go in.
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Post by RNL on Aug 4, 2008 1:53:50 GMT
Zzz... a billionaire who dresses up as a bat to fight crime is every bit as ludicrous an idea to try to take seriously.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Aug 4, 2008 2:56:45 GMT
Zzz... a billionaire who dresses up as a bat to fight crime is every bit as ludicrous an idea to try to take seriously. Alan Moore agrees with you...and he wrote THE KILLING JOKE Batman graphic novel.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Aug 4, 2008 3:05:09 GMT
Zzz... a billionaire who dresses up as a bat to fight crime is every bit as ludicrous an idea to try to take seriously. Not when you remember the key struggle in the charecter: search for justice v. vengence. Discussion continued here.
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Post by svsg on Aug 4, 2008 6:34:12 GMT
You must not understand who and what Superman is then? Lifting a boat is nothing compared to flying so fast in the opposite direction of the Earth's rotation that he actually makes the Earth spin backwards thus going back in time in order to save his woman from dying. That is the funniest thing I have heard. Did they have this in Superman Returns? I don't remember.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Aug 4, 2008 7:01:32 GMT
No no. That was the first superman film.
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Post by Blib on Aug 7, 2008 1:55:22 GMT
You must not understand who and what Superman is then? Lifting a boat is nothing compared to flying so fast in the opposite direction of the Earth's rotation that he actually makes the Earth spin backwards thus going back in time in order to save his woman from dying. That is the funniest thing I have heard. Did they have this in Superman Returns? I don't remember. I should have mentioned that it was in one of the other Superman movies. I was just pointing out that Superman can do anything basically. I agree that Superman is one of the weaker comic book characters because he can do anything and only has a weakness towards a kryptonite, whatever that is. Wetdog, are there any comic book characters you do like? Because I could see someone thinking they are all ridiculous if you don't like that sort of thing.
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Post by RNL on Aug 7, 2008 18:17:27 GMT
I don't read comic books, so all my knowledge of the characters comes from cartoons and video games. But yeah, I like Spider-Man a lot.
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Post by jrod on Aug 11, 2008 21:18:08 GMT
superman is a good character that is dealt a crappy hand by tv and movies. always sloppily done. I hate seeing him strain to lift a car then lifting a techtonic plate with LA on top of it later in the movie. the criticism that he is too powerful, in my opinion, shows a lack of understanding as to what the character is about (this is more the fault of the moviemakers than the person watching the films though). The point of the character SHOULD be that even though he may be pretty much perfect, his life never is. I really enjoy Jeph Loebs Superman/Batman books, where the two work together in an uneasy friendship to save the day. Hes always been an excellent character when played off of Batman, like in the Dark Knight Returns and the Dark Knight Strikes Again as someone mentioned above. but yeah, like I said, the movies are awful Superman (0) mainly because of the time travel thing and the rest of the horrible storyline(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yavK0mnE3wI) Superman II ( ) Superman III ( ) Superman IV (0) legitimatley one of the 10 worst movies Ive ever seen Superman Returns (0) .....action please.
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Post by Kino on Nov 20, 2008 1:37:27 GMT
I have been meaning to lay out my thoughts on Into the Wild. I actually made a post about it on the CHUD boards immediately after seeing it, since they all loved the shit out of it, but I can't find it. My opinion of it's lower now than it was then, too. Could you post your thoughts on the film? Just a couple of sentences will do. You know I don't ask too much of you. Please?
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