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Post by svsg on Sept 9, 2007 6:41:27 GMT
They lack the resonant elegance and lyricism of the symbols employed in Werckmeister. They're blunt and insistent (and effective as such), they evoke futility and fatalistic irrevocability. It's a hopelessly nihilistic film. Now, I find that touches a profound truth I agree and don't consider it as inferior (not saying you do) in any way because of lack of symbolism. I am ok with bluntness if it is appealing. You are right in a way because Tarr believes that he is making the same movie all the time, with some modifications in each new movie. But I do not see any need for a logical next step here. Damnation leads to Satantango (yet to see) and WH? Maybe, but does it need to? or what it leads to is a refinement of any sort? I think I liked damnation more because I could relate to the central character and more importantly the theme of hopelessness+helplessness. I wasn't all that concerned about 'natural order' theme. Maybe the filming style is similar (not too surprising), but the conflict is personal in Damnation, while in WH it encompasses an entire society. I am more interested in personal conflicts than social ones, though society's struggles are in some ways sum of its constituents.
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Post by RNL on Sept 9, 2007 18:41:53 GMT
Good answer. You've eased my bafflement.
And no, I don't think one film has to lead into the next as though they're establishing points in a thesis. It just seems to me that those three films of Tarr's do. He begins with the individual, moves outward into the community, then further into the cosmos. And his philosophical intentions are consistent throughout.
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Post by RNL on Sept 9, 2007 23:47:14 GMT
'Fatalistic irrevocability' isn't really the right phrase. It's probably more accurate to say that those moments in Damnation are subservient to the greater cosmology of Werckmeister Harmonies. It's almost an absurdist doctrine in the former, and I suppose by extension also the latter, though I see suggestions of the possibility of transcendence there.
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Post by svsg on Nov 29, 2007 7:52:20 GMT
I watched the first two chapters of Satantango. Will be watching the remaining tomorrow
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Post by connor on Dec 20, 2007 1:51:25 GMT
I've heard lot's of good things about this director. What should a Béla Tarr virgin such as myself watch first?
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Post by bobbyreed on Mar 30, 2008 20:50:15 GMT
Another interview (can't believe I didn't post this one): Part IPart II
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Post by Capo on May 23, 2008 13:03:34 GMT
Bobbyreed, I see The Man From London is #10 on your 2007 list; did you watch the eMule version with the text banner at the top of frame, or was it big screen business?
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Post by bobbyreed on May 23, 2008 15:14:01 GMT
Big screen business, sir. It played here as part of SFIFF '08. If you've downloaded the film, you should watch it so we can have a discussion.
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Post by Capo on May 26, 2008 22:46:37 GMT
I deleted it from my drive. Will re-down it though.
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Post by RNL on May 26, 2008 23:57:10 GMT
It's now set for a December 5th release.
Blahdy ridiculous.
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Post by Kino on May 29, 2008 20:45:39 GMT
Facets' Satantango DVD is now said to be coming out on July 22nd. They list these special features:
-Macbeth (1982, 64 mins.), Tarr's rarely seen interpretation of Shakespeare's tragedy famously captured in two shots
-Journey on the Plain (1995, 34 mins.), in which actor-composer Mihaly Vig revisits the Satantango locations
-Prologue (2004, 5 mins.), the director's stunning contribution to the omnibus Visions of Europe
-About the Restoration (5 mins.)
-Facets Cine-Notes booklet.
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Post by bobbyreed on May 29, 2008 20:51:20 GMT
I'll probably buy it for those special features. The DVD's been approved by Tarr, so Facets can't have fucked the transfer up, right? Right? Right?
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Post by RNL on May 29, 2008 22:44:16 GMT
-Macbeth (1982, 64 mins.), Tarr's rarely seen interpretation of Shakespeare's tragedy famously captured in two shots -Journey on the Plain (1995, 34 mins.), in which actor-composer Mihaly Vig revisits the Satantango locations Superb.
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Post by bobbyreed on Jul 15, 2008 18:28:11 GMT
The Facets release of Sátántangó is non-anamorphic, interlaced, and a PAL-to-NTSC transfer. Some things never change...
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Post by Anasazie on Oct 20, 2008 12:44:30 GMT
1. Werckmeister Harmonies (2000) 9/10 Fluke? Brilliant source material? 2. Family Nest (1979) 6/10 3. Damnation (1988) 6/10 4. The Outsider (1981) 4/10 5. The Prefab People (1982) 4/10 6. Almanac of Fall (1985) 4/10 7. The Man From London (2007) 3/10
Will attempt the 7 hours one day. I'm thinking that it'll be closer in quality to Werckmesiter given it's from the same novelist.
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Post by quentincompson on Nov 3, 2008 4:09:30 GMT
1.Werckmeister Harmonies 8.5/10 2.Damnation 7/10 3.The Prefab People 6/10
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Post by RNL on Nov 24, 2008 1:02:57 GMT
Apparently this film isn't coming out at all. The December 12th date on Launching Films is just for a single screen in London.
So, DVD it is. AE, they say. But when.
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Post by svsg on Nov 24, 2008 3:01:36 GMT
Are you referring to Man from London?
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Post by RNL on Nov 24, 2008 3:15:40 GMT
Yeah. I wish I was a man from London right now.
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Post by Capo on Nov 24, 2008 15:14:37 GMT
D'oh. I travel home for Christmas break that day, otherwise I'd've ventured on down.
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