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Post by Vercetti on Jan 15, 2006 5:58:14 GMT
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Post by Omar on Jan 15, 2006 13:26:43 GMT
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Post by Capo on Jan 15, 2006 14:04:27 GMT
1. Mission: Impossible 1996 2. The Black Dahlia 2006 3. Redacted 2007 4. Scarface 19835. The Untouchables 19876. Casualties of War 1989
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Post by ronnierocketago on Jan 15, 2006 17:42:25 GMT
DRESSED TO KILL (1980) - ***1/2 SCARFACE (1983) - **** CARLITO'S WAY (1993) - ***1/2 FEMME FATALE (2002) - ***1/2 THE BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES (1990) - BOMB - * MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE (1996) - **1/2 RAISING CAIN (1992) - ***1/2 BODY DOUBLE (1984) - ***1/2 CARRIE (1976) - *** BLOW OUT (1981) - ****1/2 WISE GUYS (1986) - *1/2 THE UNTOUCHABLES (1987) - **1/2 OBSESSION (1976) - **** PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE (1974) - *** SISTERS (1973) - ***1/2 CASUALTIES OF WAR (1989) - *** SNAKE EYES (1998) - ** MISSION TO MARS (2000) - BOMB - *
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Jan 16, 2006 18:58:19 GMT
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Post by Michael on Jan 19, 2006 16:18:38 GMT
I think The Untouchables may very well be the worst movie I have ever seen in my life.
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Post by jrod on Jan 20, 2006 3:11:01 GMT
Carlitos Way Scarface The Untouchables (0) Mission: Impossible
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Post by svsg on Jan 20, 2006 4:19:31 GMT
Untouchables Scarface Black Dahlia
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Post by Boz on Aug 3, 2006 18:50:56 GMT
1. Carlito's Way (1993) 2. Scarface (1983) 3. The Untouchables (1987)
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Post by RNL on Sept 8, 2006 20:07:28 GMT
Interesting De Palma interview at CHUD. Contains mild spoilers for The Black Dahlia and Femme Fatale.
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Post by Valenti on Sept 8, 2006 23:40:33 GMT
Carlito's Way - The Untouchables - 0 Carrie - Scarface - I like Scarface, in terms of enjoyment it's a great movie, but it's highly overrated. Especially by rap musicians.
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Post by Marty on Mar 10, 2007 15:32:25 GMT
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Post by RNL on May 24, 2007 22:16:40 GMT
Softening on De Palma a little, Capo?
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Post by Capo on May 25, 2007 2:00:32 GMT
Definitely, but I've been saying for a while now that I need to see not only more of his stuff, but rewatch at least the top three above. The way I'm feeling, I'd rate The Black Dahlia higher than Scarface, but that might change tomorrow, so until a rewatch, I'll leave them the way they are.
I have no real interest in seeing The Untouchables again, though. The hybrid of cheesy one-liners and graphic violence, and the whole adventure feel doesn't sit well with me at all. I can't stand Sean Connery in most films, Andy Garcia's very wooden, and Kevin Costner's annoying in everything I've seen him in apart from JFK. The slow-motion pram-down-the-steps climax just shouts, "LOOK! I'VE SEEN SERGEI EISENSTEIN'S FILMS!"
I remember two good moments in that film - the POV crab shots (similar to Godard's in La Chinoise, actually) of some villain creeping along the outside of Connery's apartment; and when the guy gets shot in the lift, which is done very well, but seems to be in the wrong movie, to be honest.
In fact, while this is probably missing the point entirely, all of those films bar Mission: Impossible seem to be hybrids of contradictory styles, which might be an ambitious thing to keep doing, but it annoys me somewhat. Perhaps Femme Fatale, Blow Out and Phantom of the Paradise are more straight in conception, more all-out and coherent and not bogged down by commercial baggage?
But yeah, your enthusiasm for him has had me interested in a while now.
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Post by RNL on May 25, 2007 2:59:19 GMT
I don't know about them being contradictory, but he definitely draws from a lot of sources.
I don't really think the 'Odessa steps' sequence in The Untouchables was quite as pretentious as you're making out, I don't think there was much more to it than De Palma wanting to remake that sequence in a new context, probably just to see if he could pull it off as effectively as Eisenstein. Also the story was set around the time that Potemkin was made.
De Palma's films are all messy. Actually, when he's got a total carte blanche they're even messier, but it's a different kind of messiness, one due to unrestrained play rather than a creative struggle.
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Post by Capo on Feb 16, 2008 16:43:36 GMT
As De Palma's resident proponent, what are your thoughts on Redacted, wetdog?
I thought it gained considerable momentum in the second half, but a day after seeing it (as a Google stream), it seems quite tame considering the subject matter. I liked the acknowledgment of the YouTube generation, the multi-media construction of the narrative (though, ironically, it might have been more resonant as a straight-played drama), the camera-man's ambitions of getting into film school on the basis of what he records in Iraq, and the final speech about death is weighty without ever pointing fingers.
It seems like a product of rushed production, though (De Palma perhaps being quite aware of ever-changing internet and media trends, and wanting to make it before it was outdated?), and as much as I was impressed by individual moments (the mine going off on the black soldier, Salazar suddenly bundled into a van whilst recording), when it was finished I was left with a big "so what?" feeling... possibly because it finished at 4am.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Feb 16, 2008 18:48:04 GMT
As De Palma's resident proponent, what are your thoughts on Redacted, wetdog? I thought it gained considerable momentum in the second half, but a day after seeing it (as a Google stream), it seems quite tame considering the subject matter. I liked the acknowledgment of the YouTube generation, the multi-media construction of the narrative (though, ironically, it might have been more resonant as a straight-played drama), the camera-man's ambitions of getting into film school on the basis of what he records in Iraq, and the final speech about death is weighty without ever pointing fingers. It seems like a product of rushed production, though (De Palma perhaps being quite aware of ever-changing internet and media trends, and wanting to make it before it was outdated?), and as much as I was impressed by individual moments (the mine going off on the black soldier, Salazar suddenly bundled into a van whilst recording), when it was finished I was left with a big "so what?" feeling... possibly because it finished at 4am. REDACTED was a HDnet production, a glorified TV movie practically....which adds to your perception, I'm sure. A decent experimental flick. BTW Capo, you ever seen FEMME FATALE or BLOW OUT yet?
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Post by seyfried on Apr 17, 2008 3:53:54 GMT
The kiss of death to the neoformalist camp, the warm embrace for the post-theorists. Sex for those in between.
1. Carlito's Way 2. Body Double 3. Obsession 4. Hi! Mom! 5. Carrie 6. The Fury 7. Dressed to Kill 8. The Untouchables 9. Femme Fatale 10. Sisters
(I'll avoid ranking the rest for the moment)
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Post by quentincompson on Oct 23, 2008 20:31:04 GMT
1.Carrie 6/10 2.Carlito's Way 5/10 3.Mission Impossible 5/10 4.Scarface 4/10 5.The Untouchable's 4/10 6.Snake Eyes 4/10
Not seen any of these in a while.
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Post by Anasazie on Oct 24, 2008 7:40:48 GMT
1. Blow Out (1981) 8/10 2. Phantom of the Paradise (1974) 7.5/10 3. Hi, Mom! (1970) 7/10 4. Greetings (1968) 5/10 5. Femme Fatale (2002) 5/10 6. Carlito's Way (1993) 5/10 7. Redacted (2007) [blue]4/10[/blue] 8. Casualties of War (1989) 4/10 9. Scarface (1983) 4/10 10. Mission Impossible (1996) 2/10 11. Sisters (1973) 2/10 12. Mission to Mars (2000) 2/10 13. The Untouchables (1987) 1/10
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