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Post by Pherdy on Mar 29, 2007 14:57:40 GMT
I have updated ALL the yearly top tens into one massive database, which Capo knows about so you may see some of it online soon.
Now, I did some adding up, some counting here and there, and noticed a few interesting things. I'll post some of them in this thread in the time to come, starting with a list of most succesfull directors overall from our lists.
Here is a list of directors scoring the most points in total, with the number of movies in brackets, from all the lists from 1990 - 2006 as posted on or before today (28 march), with a minimum of 4 movies.
1. The Coen Brothers (8): 211 pts 2. Quentin Tarantino (5): 174 3. Martin Scorsese (8): 169 4. David Lynch (7): 127 5. Paul Thomas Anderson (4): 120 6. Steven Spielberg (6): 113 7. Wong Kar-Wai (7): 112 8. Richard Linklater (8): 109 9. Michael Mann (5): 97 10. Gus van Sant (4): 92 11. Peter Jackson (6): 84 12. Steven Soderbergh (7): 79 13. Tim Burton (4): 75 14. Alexander Payne (4): 69 15. Kitano Takeshi (6): 60 16. David Cronenberg (4): 56 17. Wes Anderson (4): 55 18. Lars von Trier (5): 55 19. Krzysztof Kieslowski (4): 54 20. Robert Altman (5): 53 20. Clint Eastwood (5): 53 22. Oliver Stone (4): 49 23. Kim Ki-Duk (5): 48 24. Michael Haneke (6): 47 25. Brian DePalma (5): 45 25. Abbas Kiarostami (5): 45 27. Claire Dénis (5): 40 28. Atom Egoyan (5): 38 29. Terry Gilliam (4): 36 30. Woody Allen (4): 35 31. Hou Hsiao-Hsien (5): 34 32. Spike Lee (4): 31 33. Ridley Scott (4): 26 34. Quay brothers (4): 24 35. Hong Sang-Soo (4): 21 36. Tsai Ming-Liang (4): 16 37. Hal Hartley (4): 14
NOTE that this is a ranking based on cumulative points, not on average (notice the high averages of Tarantino and PT Anderson) or number of films (Haneke, Kitano, Soderbergh and Linklater have suprisingly many movies, more than Spielberg, Burton, Zemeckis etc.). This works in favor of mainstream movies and directors, so the relatively good results of such lesser knowns like Kiarostami, Denis, Egoyan and Hou shouldn't be taken too lightly!
Interesting to see is the preference per member.
Kino in particular has included many exotic (mostly Asian) filmmakers all by himself, being responsible for the inclusion of such directors as Chantal Akerman (2), Olivier Assayas (2), Christopher Guest (3), Hartley, Hong, Hou, Kore-eda (3), Kurosawa (2), Techiné (2), Tsai and 52 points for Wong Kar-Wai alone.
Member Boz seems partly responsible for the high averages of Tarantino and P.T. Anderson, topping their movies in four yearly top tens. He also added a large number of well known comedies.
Wetdog's preference for Cronenberg and Lynch was already known, but he helped raise the totals for such directors like Claire Denis, Kim Ki-Duk and most notably, Michael Haneke as well. He is also the sole supporter of Guy Maddin (3) and Alexander Sokurov (2), Shinya Tsukamoto (2) and a major influence on the Quay brothers tally of 24 points.
Capo seems to spread his interests more than any other voter, though statistics show him rating the films of James Cameron, Michel Gondry, Bazz Luhrman, Bela Tarr, Lars von Trier and the Makhmalbaf family higher than others.
Omar is the only voter to have supported three Peter Weir movies. He also likes Jim Jarmusch, Mike Nichols, Spike Jonze, and voted for six Linklater movies and all eight Anderson films: both PT's and Wes's.
I myself have shown to be an admirer of European directors Willem van de Sande Bakhuyzen, JP Jeunet, Chris Nolan, Alejandro Amenabar, Paul Verhoeven and Oliver Hirschbiegel, and gave a massive 41 points to all six Peter Jackson films! I am also guilty of giving top ranking twice to two famed oldies,Scorsese and Spielberg. And despite not finding myself to be a huge Tarantino fan, only Boz gave more points to him than I did and he too got two #1 seedings by me.
Jrod included two films by little known Penelope Spheeris, and like Boz rooted for some comedy veterans like Jay Roach, Tom Shadyac and Peter Segal. But he is also the only one to put well scoring films Sideways, Match Point, Punch Drunk Love and American History X on first spot, gave 19 points to Spike Lee and gave Michael Bay his only 3 points out of the 6080 points awared so far.
Papa-giorgio only handed in two lists, Jenson71 and ronnierocketago just one.
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Post by RNL on Mar 29, 2007 15:13:35 GMT
This is a great great great great great great post, Pherdy. Thank you.
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Post by Capo on Mar 29, 2007 15:18:37 GMT
Yeah, it's very interesting to see your own tastes bounced back at you in statistical trends. Very impressive. Thanks.
Any more...? ;D
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Post by RNL on Mar 29, 2007 15:46:46 GMT
All my lists prior to 2000 are out of date.
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Post by Omar on Mar 29, 2007 15:50:48 GMT
Pherdy, if I told you I loved you, would you stay forever?
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Post by jrod on Mar 31, 2007 4:33:46 GMT
when i read that i wanted to know who the fuck penelope shpeeris was...
and sorry if my nostaligic feelings for The Rock hurt the boards credibility
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 4, 2007 14:35:33 GMT
But, boo-hoo on not mentioning my Claire Denis admiration...just kidding. I noticed it though! but I just wanted to name each director once. otherwise, I could have said that every member is a fan of Tarantino or Coen or something. I'll keep updating the superfile on my computer - with Excel, that is - and look for more stats and sorry if my nostaligic feelings for The Rock hurt the boards credibility not at all, I think he does belong in there somewhere, and if you were to pick one film of him it might as well be The Rock (notice its relatively high Imdb rating). most of his films are pure entertainment so I can't blame anyone for liking them.
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 4, 2007 21:04:13 GMT
Top Ten AveragesSo you want to know more about the taste of members? Of course you do. It is interesting to know whose taste mostly resembles the overall feelings on this board. In others words: whose yearly top ten lists mostly resemble the total top ten list. Let me take away this illusion first: no one has, as of yet (4 april) submitted 10 films for one year that also make the total top 10 of this board for that year. Did anyone came close though, you wonder? Yes, one list came close with nine films the same as the total top ten. Whose list it was, you ask? Well, mine actually: my 1998 list has nine films from the current top 10. But that is one exception. The question of course is, whose overall lists has the most top-10 movies total? On average, Capo's lists include 6,26 top-ten film. Both him and me and Boz have entered top-10 lists in all 19 years so far started (1988-2006), and in those 19 lists, Capo submitted 119 films out of the 190 top-ten films. Do you all still get this? Here are the averages: 1.Capo - 6,26 films (19 lists) 2.Omar - 5,92 films (13 lists, 2006 and 1992 backwards is missing) 3.jrod - 5,77 films (18 lists: 1994 is still missing jrod!) 4.Pherdy - 5,68 films (19 lists) 5.wetdog - 5,25 films (16 lists) 6.Boz - 4,63 films (19 lists) 7.kino - 2,88 films (18 lists: 2001 is missing) papa-giorgio (2 lists), Jenson and Ronnierocket (both only submitted a list for 2006) have submitted to little lists to be entered in these statistics, but if you want to know: Jenson71 and ronnie had 5 top-ten-films in their only list: papa-giorgio had 15 in two lists, so that's an average of 7,5. Capo not only has the highest average, his lists are also quite consistent in line with the overall top-tens: there are always at least 5 of them in Capo's favorites, and 8 at most (2001, 2000 and 1994). I have one year with only 3 top-ten movies: 2005. Boz's 2005 list has just two of the top-ranked films, but his 1994 list has seven. jrod's 1994 is still missing: he has 8 top-ten films in 1992 and 1988, but just four in 2006, 2004, 1998 and 1996. kino, not to our surprise, has few lists that remotely resemble the overall top-rated lists. his most recent top 10, that of 2006, consists exactly Zero movies of the board's favorites. withouth doing damage to anyone's taste, this statistic makes his the most unique, and as we know certainly the most exotic. Never the less, kino's 1990 list has 6 top-ten films, which is on par with the other members for that year. Most of wetdogs lists have between 4 and 6 top-ten movies: two exceptions being 2000 (only 3 films) and 1995 (7 films). Omar, who has yet to post some lists to make his input as complete as some of the others, has eight top-ranked films in 2003 and 1995: jsut four in 2000 and 2001. The year which we all most agree on is 1995. Seven members voted for that year, resulting in 70 entries: 47 of which turned up in the top ten. On average, each member submitting a list in 1995 had 6,71 films in that year's current toplist. Other years in which we agree a lot are 1990 and 1994. The years where we had very little films in the top-ten, on average, are 2005 (3,71), 1996, 2004 and 2006. Only Capo had seven top-ten films in one of these lists (2006, the same year kino has none). #NOTE: Keep in mind these are the top tens of 4 april at the time this post was posted, and that some years do not have top-ten lists, but larger lists because of ties. Since there's no way around that, this can result in a higher amount of similarities (such as my 'nine films' of 1995, which includes a tied film on 10th spot).
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 4, 2007 21:39:20 GMT
Terminator 2: Judgement Day has 30 points total. 3 people voted for it. Enough said.
Let's talk averages. 24 other films, besides Terminator 2, have an average of 10 points. In all those cases one member voted for a film as the year's best, but no one else yet did: 10 points and that's it.
kino can in fact compose a list of ten movies he had put on top of his year best lists that did not receive any other support: Three Times, Café Lumiere, Kikujiro, Flower of Shanghai, Waiting for Guffman, Maboroshi, Visions of Light, And Life Goes On/Life…and nothing more, Angel at my Table and Distant Voices, Still Lives. wetdog has six such lonely top movies, Capo five and I myself two. Omar's #1 spot for Primary Colors is yet get more points as well.
However, Nuovo Cinema Paradiso is listed twice in these stats because it was voted for in two different years as a #1.
As for films with more points and more votes which maintained a high average, Goodfellas' record is impressive: five people who submitted a 1990 list gave points to Goodfellas, four of them as the year's best. The 48 total points for Scorsese's crime epic gives it a 9,6 average.
Songs from the Second Floor, Cronenberg's Crash and Burton's Batman all have a 9,5 average out of two votes (10+9).
Another good average is Woody Allen's Crimes and Misdemeanors: 9,25 after for inclusions.
But Fargo, the movie with the single highest point count of all movies in all the year lists of all members, has a great 9,14 average from no less than seven submissions: all seven voters from 1996, who gave it 64 points total so far, including four #1 spots, a fourth spot being Fargo's lowest rating. A great feat by the Coens.
54 movies got just one lousy point, including a 2005 submission for Paul Haggi's oscar winning Crash, which got more points in the 2004 thread. 2 movies got two lousy points from two voters: Philadelphia was the year's #10 movie of Pherdy and Omar; Oldboy made tenth spot in my and Capo's lists.
Four people voted for Apollo 13, but it only has 11 points: a 2,75 average despite four votes, which is the lowest such average.
PT Anderson's Sydney needed 5 votes to come to just 22 points: a 4,4 average.
Movies with seven votes: American Beauty, Magnolia, Fargo, Heat, Pulp Fiction, Groundhog Day
Movies with six votes: The Departed, The Prestige, Mulholland Drive, The Truman Show, LA Confidential, Se7en, Before Sunrise
Goodfellas, Fargo and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind all were put on top spot four times.
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Post by Capo on Apr 5, 2007 13:10:54 GMT
Not to sound patronising or anything, but in case anybody's confused, Pherdy's using commas instead of points for decimals.
Brilliant stuff - it makes me want to keep more in touch with my lists.
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Post by Boz on Apr 5, 2007 14:08:42 GMT
Not to sound patronising or anything, but in case anybody's confused, Pherdy's using commas instead of points for decimals. Yeah that took me a minute.
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 5, 2007 21:21:55 GMT
7.kino - 2,88 films (18 lists: 2001 is missing) I did submit a 2001 list. You even posted right after it, LOL. I didn't submit a 2006 list. So, unique taste based on absence? my bad my bad, I had to put in so many numbers I overlooked your 2001 list. and yes, that 2006 remark looks ridiculous now since you did not submit a list. maybe someone will include a list without any top-ten films someday, but kino hasn't so far, so that's straightened out. your 2001 list is now updated. most of the director's statistics are already obsolete, as wetdog has added a million movies by Peter Greenaway, Jan Svankmajer and Werner Herzog, as well as Brian DePalma, Alejandro Jodorowsky, David Lynch and more of the Quay brothers, so you can forget about the averages. but I will revise those statistics once everyone has submitted all their 1970's and 80's lists but I'm doing the best I can here... maybe I can upload the superfile someplace so you can all see how it works
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Post by jrod on Apr 6, 2007 5:10:18 GMT
Ive got a 1994 vote, its like the 4th reply in the thread
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 6, 2007 13:42:26 GMT
although I'm not happy to have made some errors, at least posting them have made me aware of it: the 2001 and 1994 lists have been updated.
can't say the same about some of the other stats, since the number of lists have exploded due to all the new years, all the way back to 1970.
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 6, 2007 14:18:54 GMT
the new director top ten total:
1.Martin Scorsese (18): 375 2.the Coen brothers (10): 266 3.David Lynch (12): 228 4.Steven Spielberg (14): 221 5.Woody Allen (15): 214 6.Quentin Tarantino (5): 181 7.Francis Ford Coppola (11): 179 8.Stanley Kubrick (5): 152 9.Brian DePalma (15): 145 10.Krzysztof Kieslowski (9): 140
11-20 (in order): Zemeckis, Cronenberg, PT Anderson, Burton, Mann, Altman, Wong Kar-Wai, Linklater, Greenaway, Cameron
21-30: Ridley Scott, Jarmusch, van Sant, Soderbergh, Herzog, Rob Reiner, Oliver Stone, Svankmajer, Peter Jackson, Peter Weir
and now for the first time, an average list, including all directors with 4 or more movies (there are sixtysix): 1.Quentin Taranto (5): 36,2 2.Stanley Kubrick (5): 30,4 3.PT Anderson (4): 30,25 4.Coen bros (10): 26,6 5.Gus van Sant (4): 23 6.James Cameron (5): 21 7.Martin Scorsese (18): 20,8 8.Terrence Malick (4): 20 9.David Lynch (12): 19 10.John McTiernan and Alexander Payne (4): 17,25
12-20 of high averages: Rob Reiner, Zemeckis, Polanski, Burton, Coppola, Mann, Spielberg, Kieslowski & John Hughes
Now the directors with the most films included: 1.Peter Greenaway - 19 films 2.Martin Scorsese - 18 3.Jan Svankmajer - 17 4.Brian DePalm - 15 4.Woody Allen - 15 6.Steven Spielberg - 14 7.Werner Herzog - 13 7.David Cronenberg - 13 9.David Lynch - 12 10.Quay brothers & F.F.Coppola - 11
Egoyam, Verhoeven, Coen bros (10), Soderbergh, Altman, Wong & Kieslowski (9), Hou Hsiao-Hsien, Linklater, Zemeckis (8), Carpenter, Haneke, Kitano, Von Trier, Stone, Jarmusch, RIdley Scott, Mann & Burton (7)
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Post by Boz on Apr 14, 2007 22:47:26 GMT
My personal decades collection. 1950's | 1960's | 1970's | 1. Singin' in the Rain 1952/Donen & Kelly 2. King Creole 1958/Curtiz 3. North by Northwest 1959/Hitchcock 4. Some Like it Hot 1959/Wilder 5. Rear Window 1954/Hitchcock 6. Written on the Wind 1956/Sirk 7. Touch of Evil 1958/Welles 8. Rio Bravo 1959/Hawks 9. Hiroshima, Mon Amour 1959/Resnais 10. Rashomon 1950/Kurosawa | 1. 2001: A Space Odyssey Stanley Kubrick 2. Last Year at Marienbad Alain Resnais 3. Persona Ingmar Bergman 4. Scorpio Rising Kenneth Anger 5. La Jetée Chris Marker 6. Dr. Strangelove Stanley Kubrick 7. The Graduate Mike Nichols 8. The Apartment Billy Wilder 9. Psycho Alfred Hitchcock 10. 8½ Federico Fellini | 1. The Godfather Pt II 1974/Coppola 2. The Godfather 1972/Coppola 3. Apocalypse Now 1979/Coppola 4. A Clockwork Orange 1971/Kubrick 5. Annie Hall 1977/Allen 6. Barry Lyndon 1975/Kubrick 7. Alien 1979/Scott 8. The Deer Hunter 1978/Cimino 9. Mean Streets 1973/Scorsese 10. Chinatown 1974/Polanski | 1980's | 1990's | 2000's | 1. Raging Bull (1980/Scorsese) 2. The Shining (1980/Kubrick) 3. Thief (1981/Mann) 4. The Breakfast Club (1985/Hughes) 5. Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986/Hughes) 6. Raising Arizona (1987/Coen) 7. Scarface (1983/De Palma) 8. Too Beautiful For You (1989/Blier) 9. Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989/Allen) 10. Blood Simple (1984/Coen) | 1. Goodfellas (1990/Scorsese) 2. Magnolia (1999/Anderson) 3. Fight Club (1999/Fincher) 4. Heat (1995/Mann) 5. American Beauty (1999/Mendes) 6. Boogie Nights (1997/Anderson) 7. Forrest Gump (1994/Zemeckis) 8. Casino (1995/Scorsese) 9. Carlito's Way (1993/De Palma) 10. Pulp Fiction (1994/Tarantino) | 1. Traffic (2000/Soderbergh) 2. The Man Who Wasn't There (2001/Coen) 3. Irreversible (2002/Noé) 4. United 93 (2006/Greengrass) 5. Donnie Darko (2001/Kelly) 6. Kill Bill (2003/Tarantino) 7. Solaris (2002/Soderbergh) 8. Gangster No. 1 (2000/McGuigan) 9. Requiem For a Dream (2000/Aronofsky) 10. Memento (2000/Nolan) |
Stanley Kubrick - 36 Francis Ford Coppola - 27 Martin Scorsese - 25 Alfred Hitchcock - 16 Michael Mann - 15 Steven Soderbergh - 14 Paul Thomas Anderson - 14 Joel and Ethan Coen - 14 John Hughes - 13 Kubrick and Scorsese each have entries in 3 different decades, and Coppola holds the top 3 spots in the only decade in which he appears.
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 23, 2007 14:45:32 GMT
We have a new top director (according to the statistics, that is):
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Post by jrod on Apr 26, 2007 2:55:50 GMT
Pherdy, I would venture to guess that the two of us probably share more 1st place picks than any other two people.
We both seem to have seen a large quantity of famous movies, without venturing away from the English speaking ones all that much.
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 26, 2007 10:38:09 GMT
jrod you are right. we share 18 #1 films. all of them English (including two Italian-produced westerns) furthermore, 14 of your #1 films are in my top three, and 18 of my #1 films are in yours. so that's 50 films we each have in our top three. yes, I agree that is a lot considering we have been back 77 years. as for the famous, English language films: for older movies, that is definitely true for me. For the last decade or so, I have seen a great deal of non-Hollywood films, many of which have turned up in my lists and even more which I considered #11 or something. more on Jrod's votings: His favorite directors, according to statistics: Alfred Hitchcock: 209 pts (5 #1 films)* Martin Scorsese: 110 (4) Woody Allen: 100 pts (5) Stanley Kubrick: 77 (2) Steven Spielberg: 63 (1) Howard Hawks: 52 Billy Wilder: 48 (4) Sergio Leone: 47 (3) Francis Coppola: 44 pts (2) Jrod has voted for 544 films in total, handing out 3444 points. * Jrod's 209 points to Hitchcock is almost half of all the points the British director got of all of us (his total is 474). Jrod still has not seen at least three other Hitchcock's voted for by fellow members though. I don't suppose anyone of us gave more than 209 points to a single director.
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Post by Pherdy on Apr 26, 2007 10:46:24 GMT
Other shared #1 cumulatives:
jrod-Boz: 14 Boz-Pherdy: 12 wetdog-Capo: 6 jrod-wetdog: 6 Capo-jrod: 5 Pherdy-Capo: 5 kino-Boz: 4 jrod-kino: 4 wetdog-Boz: 3 Boz-Capo: 3 kino-wetdog: 2 wetdog-Pherdy: 2 Capo-kino: 1 kino-Pherdy: 1
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