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Post by Mike Sullivan on Aug 11, 2008 18:56:55 GMT
Scarlett Johannson for Catwoman.
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Post by RNL on Aug 11, 2008 20:03:55 GMT
Obviously Halle Berry will play Catwoman in the third film. I look forward to seeing a nude catwoman I look forward to a serious and unflinchingly honest examination of the psychology of Catwoman and the social realities of jewel theft, market value, status symbols, and surely much more besides.
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Post by Jenson71 on Aug 11, 2008 20:21:43 GMT
and surely much more besides... . . . like a skin tight catsuit.
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Post by svsg on Aug 11, 2008 20:48:49 GMT
and surely much more besides... . . . like a skin tight catsuit. ... which is also transparent and wet.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Aug 17, 2008 17:02:54 GMT
IRON MAN star Robert Downey Jr. on THE DARK KNIGHT: "My whole thing is that that I saw 'The Dark Knight'. I feel like I'm dumb because I feel like I don't get how many things that are so smart. It's like a Ferrari engine of storytelling and script writing and I'm like, 'That's not my idea of what I want to see in a movie.' I loved 'The Prestige' but didn't understand 'The Dark Knight'. Didn't get it, still can't tell you what happened in the movie, what happened to the character and in the end they need him to be a bad guy. I'm like, 'I get it. This is so high brow and so f--king smart, I clearly need a college education to understand this movie.' You know what? F-ck DC comics. That's all I have to say and that's where I'm really coming from."www.moviehole.net/200814729-interview-robert-downey-jr-2
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Post by RNL on Aug 17, 2008 17:20:07 GMT
Hopefully he's being sarcastic.
Hey, are you guys going to buy this?
Can you even fully understand the artistic significance of this film without buying the action figures?
Now there's a question.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Aug 17, 2008 17:36:56 GMT
Hopefully he's being sarcastic. Hey, are you guys going to buy this? Can you even fully understand the artistic significance of this film without buying the action figures? Now there's a question. Yup. And for the record, if I was still at the age of action figure playing, I would have bought that ASAP.
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Post by DA on Aug 17, 2008 18:42:45 GMT
I'm still looking around for a Joker figure that actually looks like Ledger and not balls.
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Post by Capo on Aug 17, 2008 19:56:07 GMT
I used to always ruin my figures by mixing them with soap in the bath. My Action Man figures were always safe, though.
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Post by DA on Aug 17, 2008 22:48:11 GMT
I'm not even going to lie, I definitely do keep some action figures around to display. I mean, it's not to geek levels because there's no way you can be a geek if your figures are of the Warriors, Johnny Cash, Animal House, etc. variety and NOT Star Wars or something...though I do have an Emperor Palpatine standing around too.
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Post by Jenson71 on Aug 17, 2008 23:11:43 GMT
The action figure looked stupid until I saw the batwheelie.
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Post by RNL on Aug 18, 2008 18:39:39 GMT
BLAHAHRGHHAAHAHAA
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Post by DA on Aug 18, 2008 19:11:32 GMT
I haven't seen a strip from Killing Joke or Arkham Asylum yet.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Aug 18, 2008 19:34:15 GMT
Because it doesn't matter. They were made for kids so their condemed to be childish forever.
Duh!
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Post by RNL on Aug 19, 2008 0:01:41 GMT
Yes, that is true. Except that I never condemned anything for being childish.
But yes, Batman will always be silly children's entertainment regardless of how many commercialistic mannerisms of seriousness are imposed upon it.
Continue our discussion if you think you can take it anywhere.
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Post by Robert C. on Aug 19, 2008 1:18:46 GMT
Never been into comics but I had some friends who were fanatics and I know they told me more than once that Batman was one of the comics that did NOT have a lot of real value; be it topical or sub-textual. That's certainly not to dismiss the entire genre, there are plenty of sub textual and metaphorical meaning in stories like Super Man, Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulk, etc. And that's not to mention comics like X-Men, which took hold over a segment of my generation.
Of course, just because the comic has little to no intrinsic value doesn't necessary mean the movie has none. Certainly the filmmakers could have inserted their own value to an otherwise invaluable story.
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Post by RNL on Aug 19, 2008 1:30:41 GMT
X-Men is definitely intended as allegorical social commentary, to some extent. Whether that commentary is facile and toothless is an open question.
But I actually don't think it's possible for any filmmaker to make a Batman film that's either serious psychological drama or serious social criticism without altering the fundamental elements of the character, probably to the point of unrecognisability.
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Post by Robert C. on Aug 19, 2008 1:53:46 GMT
I dunno, I haven't seen the movie but Joker seems intriguing. Engulfed by nihilism, he represents the true, raw reality of the human condition -- nothing matters. We as a society are analogous to Batman b/c we veil ourselves with masks and outfit ourselves with our protective social norms, customs and values to try and guard against the cold, vicious nihilist truth that we are all simple, permeable structures.
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Post by RNL on Aug 19, 2008 2:25:19 GMT
Nah... How could any character represent nihilism? How can anything represent nothing? How can anything mean meaninglessness? Nihilism is incompatible with both truth and reality, no matter how "raw", "cold" or "vicious". As an idea (or an idea of an idea more accurately, since no one is really a nihilist, nor could they be) it basically exists only as a point of reference, as an inherently dysfunctional, unteneble position. A notional ideology that people polemically synonymize with actual ideologies. What does it mean to assert that "nothing matters"? Is that more or less meaningful than asserting that everything matters? What you wrote there doesn't actually mean anything.
The film exudes a trendy, market-ready pessimism and misanthropy, but it has absolutely nothing whatsoever of substance to say about the world. Apparently it's enough for the critics that the artists pretend.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if what you just wrote (and I know it was offhand and you haven't seen the movie) really does represent the full amount of thought the Nolans and Goyer put into the meaning of their film. All the "pure evil", "agent of chaos" pseudo-philosophical nonsense certainly suggests there wasn't much intellectual energy expended on it.
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Post by svsg on Aug 19, 2008 3:04:00 GMT
Nah... How could any character represent nihilism? How can anything represent nothing? How can anything mean meaninglessness? Not believing in any value system or authority and disregard for socially accepted morals is a big aspect of nihilism. Trying to define what is "true" nihilism is probably an academic exercise. Characters can be made to represent this idea in some form. Because nihilism is such a complex concept, probably one cannot represent it comprehensively to cover all its facets, but Joker probably represents anarchy. Having said that, I did not walk away with these notions from the movie when I finished watching it. Probably, people are reading too much into it, just because they have to explain its commercial success. I am sure I can make Snakes on a plane look like a deep insightful movie, if only I had the gift of words, like some people
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