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Post by jrod on Feb 6, 2009 16:15:21 GMT
Taken is 2008 on IMDb, and it is definatley going to be among my votes for best trailer. Im not going to see the movie in the theatre or anything, but Ive been talking like Liam Neisson for days.
On the phone to a friend: "Listen very carefully...the basketball game is on at 8:15 tonight and it would be in your best interest to stop by the grocery store and get some beer" *hang up*
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Post by Capo on Feb 6, 2009 19:00:39 GMT
Anyone care to share what their ballot would like if the deadline was tomorrow? At a glance, for the benefit of myself and others: Best Film Waltz with Bashir The Man From London Che Part One WALL-E 3 Monkeys
Best Direction Steven Soderbergh for Che Part One Ari Folman for Waltz with Bashir Darren Aronosfky for The Wrestler Béla Tarr for The Man From London Nuri Bilge Ceylan for 3 Monkeys
Best Lead Male Benicio Del Toro in Che Part One Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler Frank Langella in Frost/Nixon Michael Sheen in Frost/Nixon Sean Penn in Milk
Best Lead Female Sally Hawkins in Happy-Go-Lucky Hatice Aslan in 3 Monkeys Maria Bonnevie inThe Banishment --- ---
Best Supporting Male Ralph Fiennes in In Bruges Ercan Kesal in 3 Monkeys The two guys in Gomorra whose names I need to check: the young'n that looks like De Niro, and the guy who collects the money. Brad Pitt in Burn After Reading (Supporting, right? If not, then Malkovich.)
Best Supporting Female Karina Fernandez in Happy-Go-Lucky Marisa Tomei in The Wrestler --- --- ---
Best Cinematography Jar City Linha de passe Che Part One Man From London 3 Monkeys
Best Editing Gomorra The Wrestler Cloverfield Jar City Waltz with Bashir
Best Sound 3 Monkeys Cloverfield Linha de passe The Banishment WALL-E
Best Score The Banishment Water Lilies The Man From London Linha de passe Frost/Nixon
Best Ensemble Cast Gomorra Frost/Nixon Mister Lonely Burn After Reading Jar City
Best Artistic Achievement Waltz with Bashir The Man From London WALL-E The Banishment The Wrestler
Worst Film Rambo Last Thakur Quantum of Solace How to Lose Friends and Alienate People The Dark KnightAll of those subject to massive changes. Especially Artistic Achievement, which I need to re-evaluate in light of such a mediocre pool.
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Post by svsg on Feb 6, 2009 21:17:24 GMT
I wouldn't be participating in the voting, as I haven't seen most of the important/talked-about movies of 2008. Unless I see a lot of movies in the coming weeks, which seems unlikely now.
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Post by Capo on Feb 7, 2009 12:28:24 GMT
More than ever this year I'm pleased that I can vote for films I didn't particularly like but wanted to like because of premise and promise; films whose bits were better than their whole, such as Gomorra, Linha de passe and The Banishment.
I'd still like to see Hunger, The Reader, Revolutionary Road, Slumdog Millionaire, Doubt, Iron Man, Man on Wire, I've Loved You So Long, Gran Torino, The Class, Chop Shop, Changeling, Benjamin Button, Che Part Two.
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Post by RNL on Feb 9, 2009 0:11:09 GMT
Jrod, I'd liken Adams' role in Doubt to Robert Downey Jr's role in Zodiac. Would you agree that he's a lead in that, despite being backgrounded in the latter portion of the film?
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Post by jrod on Feb 9, 2009 0:37:28 GMT
hmm, havent seen Zodiac since the month it came out on DVD. Jake Glyennhal is certainley the lead, and if I recall correctly, Ruffalo has more screen time and is more cruical to the storyline than RDJ.
It isnt a big deal to me at all though. If borderline, Id rather someone belong to "lead" than "supporting".
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Post by Capo on Feb 9, 2009 0:59:50 GMT
If we could arrive at a one-line definition of "Lead" and "Supporting", I'd be very happy. I'm not even sure of Fiennes in In Bruges. My Retrospective nominees look to be: Syndromes and a Century Climates You, the Living I Don't Want to Sleep Alone Zodiac
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Post by jrod on Feb 9, 2009 1:17:51 GMT
I would call Gleason and Farrel leads, with Fiennes supporting
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Post by jrod on Feb 9, 2009 16:33:03 GMT
have like half a dozen 2008 films on top of my queue with Very Long Wait that have been getting skipped over for the last month. Frustrating.
Lucky with the 2 dvds I sent back Saturday they are sending me 2 of tomorrows releases, Frozen River and W.
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Post by Pherdy on Feb 9, 2009 18:08:00 GMT
don't have a definition for you, Capo, but for what it's worth, here are my views on some of the difficult ones: I would call Gleason and Farrel leads, with Fiennes supporting second that. for Doubt, I think Streep is leading 100%, PSH 75% and Adams somewhere below 50%, so I'd consider her role supporting. I agree with whoever compared her screentime/importance to Downey in Zodiac. Heath Ledger as lead in The Dark Knight seems logical too, at least in terms of screentime and/or importance to the story. in terms of perspective I'd say Eckhart (and Bale) is more a lead. Oldman (Jim Gordon) is supporting both to Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne. Don't know if Vicky Cristina Barcelona is going to be a problem, but I consider Rebeca Hall the one lead, with everyone else supporting. I have doubts about Cate Blancett in Benjamin Button - her role would fit the term "leading female role", even if her role as a whole isn't that leading. I've yet to see The Reader, as Kate Winslet seems to be included in both categories on various occasions. For Gomorra, I don't think there's any lead, for Hunger there is one (Fassbender). Frost/Nixon has two leads, no question. The Visitor one, as far as I'm concerned. both have titles indicating so. to come back to the question, to me a leading role has to do with perspective and importance. if you would describe a movie as being about "a man who..." or "woman who..." than that person is most likely the lead. movies like Crash or The Usual Suspects don't have that one principal character, hence "Supporting" nominations for their biggest characters. screentime shouldn't be a criterium, although I feel awkward about giving short performances the value of a leading role (as was the case with Anthony Hopkins in The Silence of The Lambs, which is clearly about a " woman who..." and not about "a cannibal that...."). this doesn't happen that often though, but it could be a troubling factor with Gomorra, for instance.
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Post by jrod on Feb 9, 2009 18:20:32 GMT
As long as we dont make the same mistakes Hollywood does Despite being in the movie considerably more than anyone, Jennifer Hudson was supporting in Dreamgirls, which is hardly an ensemble cast movie to the extent something like Traffic or Crash is. Even worse than this is the fact that she won, despite the fact that whenever she wasnt singing her acting was Sofia Coppola/Kenanu Reeves bad. Also see Jake Glynehall in Brokeback Mountain, Jaimee Foxx in Collateral, and Casey Affleck in The Assassination of Jesse James for performances that were ridiculously indicated as supporting by the Academy. ugh.
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Post by Capo on Feb 10, 2009 12:02:36 GMT
I'd count Fiennes as Leading in In Bruges, I think.
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Post by Kino on Feb 14, 2009 22:44:43 GMT
Don't know if Vicky Cristina Barcelona is going to be a problem, but I consider Rebeca Hall the one lead, with everyone else supporting. Rewatched this and sort of ignored the voice-over as I still don't know what to make of it. I kind of like the film now and also found it funnier. Anyway, anyone else want to chime in on which categories the performances fall in? Out of Vicky, Cristina, and Juan Antonio, I don't think there's a lead in the film even though the narrative begins and ends with focus on, well, Vicky and Cristina. They're supporting roles that are the lead at certain times in the film.
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Post by Capo on Feb 15, 2009 1:26:55 GMT
I watched it last night, and would count (unquestionably) Hall, Johansson and Bardem as leads. Cruz, Messina and Clarkson are supporting.
I'll be voting Hall and Bardem as leads, unless we establish the contrary (and unless I see enough films to demote them out of the race).
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Post by Capo on Feb 15, 2009 1:28:00 GMT
On the questioning note, though, how do we handle Che and all its possible nominations? I won't be seeing Part Two until after the awards.
Has anybody seen both?
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Post by Kino on Feb 15, 2009 1:39:41 GMT
I watched it last night, and would count ( unquestionably) Hall, Johansson and Bardem as leads. Yeah, I don't know WTF I was thinking with my post. That's what I meant to say. I guess I had a point about some Altman films (i.e., contrast his ensemble films full of supporting roles to a film with multiple leads) in my head that I was gonna type out and that bled into what I was typing about VCB. But yeah, I count those three as co-leads. And left out "sole" in my statement about no lead role. Bardem got sadly overlooked for awards. I thought he was great.
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Post by Capo on Feb 15, 2009 1:54:34 GMT
Yeah, I thought his performance was great, and it actually made me retrospectively realise how great he was in NCFOM too.
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Post by Pherdy on Feb 16, 2009 15:29:36 GMT
Yeah, I thought his performance was great, and it actually made me retrospectively realise how great he was in NCFOM too. just saw Mar Adentro again in class. compared to these films, his performance in Vicky Cristina wasn't all that memorable, nor was the film. why Woody Allen gets such endless praise all over the world I don't quite get. as of now, I will nominate Rebeca Hall (for leading actress), but that's partly a recognition for several recent films in which she starred and partly because great female leads are always a bit harder too find (unless we're going to end up nominating Angelina Jolie or something). although I haven't seen even a trailer of Che, and won't be able to for weeks either, I must say it seems like that is the one film overlooked by the 'real' awards this year, as big movies with big casts/crews go. I'm very interested in seeing it. one final question about eligibility: does "An American Crime" count? it is a 2008 DVD premier which, after it couldn't get a distributor, was picked up by a Swedish film company in late 2007 and only released theatrically there, i.e., not even in the country of production, where it got a minor release in 2008 and is actually considered a tv-movie... I'm considering it for a nomination as well.
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Post by Omar on Feb 16, 2009 15:58:58 GMT
On the questioning note, though, how do we handle Che and all its possible nominations? I won't be seeing Part Two until after the awards. Has anybody seen both? I plan on seeing both, back-to-back, this Thursday.
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Post by jrod on Feb 18, 2009 19:38:54 GMT
id really love to see Milk, Synedoche, and Rachel Getting Married but none come out on DVD until March 10th.
Dammit.
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