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Post by RNL on Mar 5, 2009 1:19:58 GMT
Are you FUCKING kidding me?
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Post by ronnierocketago on Mar 5, 2009 1:24:42 GMT
Are you FUCKING kidding me? Yeah I am. ;D As to your argument, yeah Bay the producer isn't the chief creative force of those (lame) remakes. The hack filmmakers in directors, scriptwriters, those DPs that deploy that same lame cosmetics commercial cinematography are those responsible for all those projects I didn't like. Also, producer = Doesn't Equal = Director. I think. What else you wanted?
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Post by RNL on Mar 5, 2009 1:35:10 GMT
I will not. And I will certainly not presume to evaluate it without having seen it. That would be irrational and an act of critical bad faith. However, I will formulate a prediction based primarily on Nolan's prior work, Memento in particular. Funny, when I basically said the same thing about any of Bay's productions (director or producer), what word was it that you kept using? Oh right... IRRELEVANT!Your irrelevancies, that I dismissed as irrelevancies, were as follows. You went off on a tirade about your general "qualms with Hollywood Horror". Irrelevant. You asked me: "what of directors who basically have creative/production control, but aren't technically producers on the final credits, like Scorsese?" Irrelevant. When asked to address the substance of my argument you responded: "Sure, as soon as you actually properly review the remake, as I had nicely requested earlier?" Irrelevant. I feel schizophrenic having to constantly quote myself. READ THIS QUOTE SO I DON'T HAVE TO QUOTE IT AGAIN. If someone crashes your car more than once, isn't it logical to NOT let that person drive your wheels again? And really, you're stuck too much on your terminology. As a remake/prequel/sequel/sidequel/retcon/whatever, shit still looks like shit. But just to please you, I have no real urge to check out Bay's produced Remake/Sequel.What you're still overlooking is the distinction that's been pointed out more than once. That is, "the difference between predicting how good a film will be based on the director's prior work and actually evaluating the film without having seen it based solely on the directorial credit." One is sensible, the other is completely ridiculous. You're not as guilty as Arkady, but you're still defending the legitimacy of such an evaluation. And I'll note again for the Nth time that Bay is not the director of this film. I'm not responding to anymore of your posts if they're what can only be either feeble attempts at strawman caricatures of my arguments or a hopeless misunderstanding of them, probably the former because this whole thing is a completely straightforward matter of common sense.
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Post by RNL on Mar 5, 2009 1:38:34 GMT
Are you FUCKING kidding me? Yeah I am. ;D As to your argument, yeah Bay the producer isn't the chief creative force of those (lame) remakes. The hack filmmakers in directors, scriptwriters, those DPs that deploy that same lame cosmetics commercial cinematography are those responsible for all those projects I didn't like. Also, producer = Doesn't Equal = Director. I think. What else you wanted? No, thank you, that'll do. We have arrived at our destination.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Mar 5, 2009 3:39:49 GMT
Anyway
RNL, did this remake employ the ole jump scare ending (of which I doubt doesn't work 99% of time)?
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Post by RNL on Mar 5, 2009 3:44:29 GMT
Yeah, it wasn't a dream though, and it didn't make much sense, but it was effective enough.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Mar 5, 2009 5:20:09 GMT
Yeah, it wasn't a dream though, and it didn't make much sense, but it was effective enough. Cool
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Post by arkadyrenko on Mar 5, 2009 18:29:36 GMT
"the teenage Sam character, who is not a Bay-type at all"
Actually, he is. There's lots of similiarities with that character to the lead character in THE ROCK and THE ISLAND and Affleck's character in ARMAGEDDON. It's pretty obvious that Bay reflects himself a lot in this character.
I bet that's how he even sees himself like that, as a likable dorky but smart kid who raised above middle class (but with lots of blue collar street creed), who cooled himself into the king of movie cool and got the hot babe(s) because he deserves it. Instead of what he really is, a senseless and unsensible jock who whore his actresses so they can reflect his pin-up ideal of female beauty, aka, white-trash whores.
Sense and sensebility for Bay is just a movie directed by that chinese guy and it was boring because NOTHING EXPLODED!
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Post by RNL on Mar 5, 2009 18:52:03 GMT
Such as? I don't remember Cage's character in The Rock being a "likable but dorky smart kid" or us being offered any insight into his teenage years other than that his girlfriend was the prom queen. And I thought the lead character in The Island was a blank-faced childlike clone, no?
(Is that last sentence a total non-sequitur or what?)
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Post by arkadyrenko on Mar 5, 2009 22:02:04 GMT
Cage character certainly was dorky, and nerdy (he collected vynil records of the Beatles and got them from anywhere in the world).
In THE ISLAND, many personal character traits of the lead character were taken from Bay's own child and teenhood, including dialogue. so there!
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Post by ronnierocketago on Mar 5, 2009 22:04:28 GMT
Cage character certainly was dorky, and nerdy (he collected vynil records of the Beatles and got them from anywhere in the world). I always thought that nonsense was a Tarantino script doctor contribution, like the SILVER SURFER scene in CRIMSON TIDE. In THE ISLAND, many personal character traits of the lead character were taken from Bay's own child and teenhood, including dialogue. so there! Especially the whole "being a clueless fucktard" part. I should link AgonyBooth's ISLAND review sometime, for they nailed it and Bay perfectly.
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Post by arkadyrenko on Mar 5, 2009 22:22:16 GMT
There's an THE ISLAND review from Agony Booth? I need to find it pronto!
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