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Post by RNL on Jan 17, 2010 20:18:23 GMT
I'm referring to your retarded hijinks.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Jan 17, 2010 20:53:56 GMT
I'm referring to your very retarded hijinks. No offense mate, but considering our history, that could refer to many many many postings. I only must guess to assume, and only because I'm bored of this game, you refer to the last posting. Before that quesiton obviously, just to clear things up.
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Post by RNL on Jan 17, 2010 21:08:41 GMT
Yes, you apparently derive some great satisfaction from being repeatedly told you're behaving like a moron.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Jan 17, 2010 21:13:30 GMT
Yes, you apparently derive some great satisfaction from being repeatedly told you're behaving like a moron. What can I say? I'm a masochist. A slave needs his master.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Jan 28, 2010 6:36:37 GMT
Recent films:
400 Blows: Five Stars Last Year at Marienbad: Five Stars Cries and Whispers: Four Stars Bourne Ultimatum: Four and a half stars Up: Five Stars The Hangover: Four stars Transformers 2: one star. Avatar: two stars 8 1/2: five stars collateral: four stars munich: five stars true romance: three stars inglorious basterds: five stars Breathless: four stars Au Revoir Les Enfants: five stars My Dinner with Andre: four and a half stars Che Part I: four stars Che Part II: two stars
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Post by ronnierocketago on Jan 28, 2010 8:06:26 GMT
Mike, I'm kinda surprised you liked CHE.
Care to elaborate your thoughts, and why part 2 didn't work for you?
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Post by troyanderson on Jan 28, 2010 8:07:36 GMT
because Part 2 was a rushed hack job.
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Post by Omar on Jan 28, 2010 14:59:15 GMT
Not in the least. If it was rushed, then so was Part 1.
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Post by troyanderson on Jan 28, 2010 17:55:11 GMT
Bullshit. While Soderbergh might've been working on Che as a larger project, the split and the shift in focus between Part 1 and Part 2 really screwed with the production schedule. Sure, it's not like he had a major studio breathing down his neck. But, there was the pressure of getting an easy contender out for Awards Season coupled with a lack of focus in the second part.
Would it have worked better as one giant epic? Sure. But, that's not going to happen in the modern theatrical business. I hope he revisits both parts in the future, a little editing and some other post magic could reshape it.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Jan 31, 2010 8:56:59 GMT
Agreeing with troy here. Second film had great promise: it is in its essence a horror film, as one by one, Che's forces are annihilated. It's in someways reminiscent of Herzog and the battles between man and the elements. The problem is editing styles. I may rewatch tomorrow night to see if my opinion changes.
Che: Part I however was an excellent movie; an intelligent, well-paced but measured look at guerrilla warfare without the usual rousing effect you'd expect to see in another film, like "Lawrence of Arabia," which is a masterpiece of great magnitude. However, Che Part I's focus on the actual conflict is intriguing. Also fucks the overall arch. Che is one of the great enigams in history like T.E. Lawrence. Yet Lean was able to convey this.
Che is one of the most beloved and hated characters in modern times but you wouldn't know by watching these two films. Sure, you'd know he was educated, worked hard, surmounted great odds and was a brilliant tactician. Doesn't take an overall view of him. It's just snapshots. That's the overall disappointment. but at least I got half a great epic.
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Post by Capo on Jan 31, 2010 17:44:32 GMT
The first film focuses no more on the "actual conflict" than the second film does. Less so, in fact, if you take its final third away.
How did David Lean convey Lawrence's "enigma" more than Soderbergh does Che's, when what we're left with from the latter's film(s) is an "overall disappointment" despite showing specific traits, such as "educated, hard-working, surmounting great odds and a brilliant tactician". That's a thematic conflict, surely.
I think the Soderbergh film actually understates Che's "enigma" (unfocused iconic status?) by focusing more on the actual revolutions themselves: one successful, one doomed.
The second film's a less messy film; neither are horror films. The Herzog comparison seems tenuous at the very least.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on Jan 31, 2010 23:18:34 GMT
He executed thousands of people in the name of the revolution following the overthrow of Bautista. How does a man who preaches love also preach for war and order the death of thousands? He also managed to get Cuban-Soviet relations to a fever pitch and got the nukes into Cuba in 1962. In the name of the revolution.
Come on now. There's certainly more to examine but the filmmakers were not interested in it. Che is a failure in history but the first part is a success of well-paced, tense film making.
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Post by RNL on Feb 1, 2010 2:20:24 GMT
JANUARY 14 films. 14 first viewings. 2 on the big screen. Animal House ***** John Landis 1978 USA Death Wish ***** Michael Winner 1974 USA The Lovely Bones ***** Peter Jackson 2009 USA / UK / New Zealand Species ***** Roger Donaldson 1995 USA The Road ***** John Hillcoat 2009 USA Cinema Up in the Air ***** Jason Reitman 2009 USA Cinema FILM OF THE MONTH The Sting ***** George Roy Hill 1973 USA Armored ***** Nimród Antal 2009 USA Driving Miss Daisy ***** Bruce Beresford 1989 USA Shakespeare in Love ***** John Madden 1998 USA / UK An Inconvenient Truth ***** Davis Guggenheim 2006 USA Kramer vs Kramer ***** Robert Benton 1979 USA To Catch a Thief ***** Alfred Hitchcock 1955 USA The English Patient ***** Anthony Minghella 1996 USA
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Post by ronnierocketago on Feb 1, 2010 3:14:25 GMT
JANUARY 14 films. 14 first viewings. 2 on the big screen. Animal House *****John Landis 1978 USA That makes it what, 3 of us at FCM who like that movie? Armored *****Nimród Antal 2009 USA HA! ;D Winning the Oscar in the same year DO THE RIGHT THING didn't even get a nomination. What bullshit. *Cue random rant at conservative "progressive" Hollywood*
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Post by RNL on Feb 1, 2010 3:22:06 GMT
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Post by ronnierocketago on Feb 1, 2010 3:56:40 GMT
You gave it the same rating as I did. In short: I was right.
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Post by Omar on Feb 1, 2010 4:46:51 GMT
I thought you were smiling because the guy's name is Nimrod.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Feb 1, 2010 5:02:13 GMT
I thought you were smiling because the guy's name is Nimrod. That too. ;D
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Post by quentincompson on Feb 1, 2010 6:40:42 GMT
January
8/10 Don't Look Now(1973)-Nicholas Roeg,Cinema
7/10 The Time Traveller's Wife(2009)-Robert Schwentke,Download
5/10 Black Book(2006)-Paul Verhoeven,DVD The Good(2006)-Robert Deniro,DVD
4/10 *EuroTrip(2004)-Jeff Schaffer,Download
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Post by Capo on Feb 1, 2010 21:20:08 GMT
JANUARY 14 films, all first-time viewings; 3 at the cinema
Cracker: True Romance ***** Tim Fywell 1995 | UK DVD
Cracker: White Ghost ***** Richard Standeven 1996 | UK DVD
Cracker ***** Antonia Bird 2006 | UK DVD
For All Mankind ***** Al Reinert 1989 | USA BBC iPlayer
Ae Fond Kiss... ***** Ken Loach 2004 | UK/Belgium/Germany/Italy/Spain DVD
Land and Freedom ***** Ken Loach 1995 | UK/Spain/Germany /Italy DVD
The White Ribbon ***** Michael Haneke 2009 | Austria/Germany/France/Italy Cinema
Prime Cut ***** Michael Ritchie 1972 | USA DVD
The Grand Duke's Finances ***** F.W. Murnau 1924 | Germany DVD
Avatar ***** James Cameron 2009 | USA IMAX 3D
FILM OF THE MONTH The Man From Laramie ***** Anthony Mann 1955 | USA TV rec.
The Miracle Woman ***** Frank Capra 1931 | USA DVD
All I Desire ***** Douglas Sirk 1953 | USA DVD
The Road ***** John Hillcoat 2009 | USA Cinema
I gotta start planning my film schedule if I'm to stop burning out. By January 7 I'd watched ten of the above 14. Though I did also read two books last month, and watched Season 6 of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
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