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Post by bobbyreed on Nov 25, 2007 4:33:53 GMT
Yup.
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Post by Blib on Nov 25, 2007 12:54:17 GMT
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Kino, those are some great thoughts on No Country For Old Men.
*SPOILERS*
I didn't put that much thought into the coin-flips but now you have me thinking about why he did that. I just thought it was a cool twist for him to give someone a chance who maybe didn't really deserve to die. But like you said, what did that cashier do to him that might make Chigurh possibly kill him? Was it because the cashier may have seen the stolen vehicle? Or was Chigurh just so evil or psychotic that he wanted to take a little extra personal time just to screw with someone?
The coin-flip with Carla Jean was interesting to me because, correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the only time we see Chigurh laugh(or show any kind of emotion for that matter) when she says "you don't have to do this you know" and he says "they always say that". Why he gave her a coin-flip I don't know, but I thought the brief burst of emotion was something to think about there.
As far as the Good vs. Evil thing, I'm not sure if that's exactly what is trying to be portrayed in the movie but the kid who gives Chigurh his shirt after the accident has to be thought about. The way he gives his shirt without hesitation and even turns down the money at first. Pure good/innocence helping pure evil. Again, I'm not sure what the meaning of it is, but it was a great scene showing extreme opposites.
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I'm looking forward to watching this movie a second time, although after reading your thorough review of it I'm not sure if a second viewing will help me understand any more than I already do. Which really might be a good thing because I love to be able to think about a movie like this, every once in a while.
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Post by Blib on Nov 25, 2007 18:41:18 GMT
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I wonder if the only difference between this movie and a poorly made movie with lots of holes in the story is that we want there to be meaning to it. No Country For Old Men was filmed so well, with such great characters, I hope we aren't just looking too deep when there really is no answers. I also like to believe the Coen's are smarter than that.
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Post by Omar on Nov 25, 2007 21:38:15 GMT
(In response to a deleted post):( HUGE ASS SPOILERS) What's your interpretation? Is McCarthy and/or the Coens talking about "evil" and it always being a part of the world, that it's nothing new. I don't think "evil" is an appropriate word to use, though. I don't think this is a film about good and evil themselves, but how they co-exist in the same world. We see both Chigurh and Bell's reflection on the television screen at separate times(another prominent element in the Coen's films), both not looking that different in representation. And as Chigurh says to the man at the gas station, "...there's no way to put it, that's what it is." Or something along those lines, revealing that good and evil are just that. Your take on the coin flips? I forget what the store cashier did that led to Chigurh's coin flip talk. However, what principles did it shed light on?...that Chigurh leaves it up to fate?...what's the purose of killing the cashier? I mean he wasn't in the way of Chigurh getting the money. Chigurh even backed down from the lady at the trailer park who was an obstacle to him. The coin flips were his way of rationalizing his killings. Killing drives him, obviously, but he tries to maintain a code in his madness. The cashier could identify the stolen car, by overtly pointing out that he knew Chigurh (or the car) came from Dallas. But he let the coin decide in killing him or not. And the lady at the trailer park, I believe he was very close to killing her, but heard the toilet flush in the other room, and knew someone else was in there. Which leads me to the car crash. Here, I'm taking it that McCarthy says there is no fate and no divine/cosmic intervention; there is no order. Now, does that go against whatever the hell it is that Chigurh believes in? I think you've already got this one figured out with the similarities between it and the scene with Brolin on the bridge to Mexico. Good and evil, ever present, and in the case of Brolin's scene, in shades of gray. As for Bell's closing monologue? "...I woke up." Is he truly w/o hope in good, in God? I think he is. The only thing I'm sure of is that Bell is fearful and weary and can't comprehend or deal w/ the new violence, a violence that according to his uncle is the same as back in the day (the straw that truly broke Bell's back). Let me first say that this is the best ending I've seen in quite awhile. The groan of the audience I was in was rather unpleasant, but I think it was the only way the film could have wrapped, bookended with Jones. Bell's revelation in the end goes in accordance with the title and his conversations earlier with the other sheriff and the wheel-chair bound man. These men growing old in a world they no longer understand, and likewise, one that can not understand them. Look at the working relationship with Bell and his Deputy. The dream is interesting. It's like the turning of the page, for me, with his father, going on ahead and setting up camp. Bell's sense of passing time plus his world weariness has left him in a state of desperation. There is no room (country) left for him. The fact that he outlives most of his younger co-stars makes this dilemma worse, and harder for him to understand.
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Post by connor on Dec 4, 2007 0:13:00 GMT
The Big Lebowski (1998)  O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)
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Post by svsg on Dec 8, 2007 5:38:56 GMT
Fargo  Big Lebowski No Country for Old Men  (increased by 2 stars  ) |
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Post by ronnierocketago on Dec 12, 2007 21:52:41 GMT
NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN (2007) - **** - Masterpiece
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Post by Capo on Jan 25, 2008 18:49:48 GMT
No Country for Old Men is amazing. The entourage I was with was mostly ambivalent, and a few thought it was outright awful, but I loved it. I agree with bobbyreed's admiration of the lengthy silences, but that simple, choral drone that comes in every now and then (and leads to nothing, but subtly invokes anticipation) is great.
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Post by ronnierocketago on Jan 26, 2008 7:13:07 GMT
No Country for Old Men is amazing. The entourage I was with was mostly ambivalent, and a few thought it was outright awful, but I loved it. I agree with bobbyreed's admiration of the lengthy silences, but that simple, choral drone that comes in every now and then (and leads to nothing, but subtly invokes anticipation) is great. Yes Fuck-in-deed. |
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Post by Pherdy on Mar 20, 2008 11:47:24 GMT
Pherdy, how in Hades is Intolerable Cruelty better than Miller's Crossing? two years later, and I've rewatched it and upped it on my list. it surpassed Lebowski now, even my previous #1 Hudsucker. |
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Post by Capo on May 6, 2008 8:12:12 GMT
I'm rediscovering these guys (watched Fargo t'other night and The Man Who Wasn't There yesterday); I think they're essentially love-or-hate first time around (especially if you're young when their films came out), and I for one loved them. Years after, without having caught up with their films post-Man (and pre-NCFOM, of course), and I thought they were good, but found little reason to get excited about their films.
Scratch that; these guys are fucking geniuses. Exciting visualists, intellectual scriptwriters, and very self-conscious. TMWWT is a friggin' masterpiece - I've an exam on it in five hours.
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Post by Mike Sullivan on May 6, 2008 21:10:51 GMT
1. No Country For Old Men (2007) * * * * *
2. Fargo (1996) * * * * *
3. The Big Lebowski (1998) * * * * 1/2
4. The Hudsucker Proxy (1994) * * * *
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Post by svsg on Sept 27, 2008 21:03:36 GMT
Fargo Big Lebowski No country for old men Burn after reading |
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Post by Michael on Oct 24, 2008 8:16:46 GMT
1. No Country For Old Men (2007) ****
2. Fargo (1996) ****
3. Miller's Crossing (1990) **
I remember being thoroughly frustrated and confused by Miller's Crossing's plot.
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Post by Anasazie on Oct 24, 2008 11:07:11 GMT
1. Blood Simple (1984) 8/10
2. Barton Fink (1991) 8/10
3. Miller's Crossing (1990) 8/10
4. Fargo (1996) 7/10
5. The Hudsucker Proxy (1994) 6/10
6. The Big Lebowski (1998) 6/10
7. No Country for Old Men (2007) 5/10
8. The Man Who Wasn't There (2001) 5/10
9. Raising Arizona (1987) 4/10
10. Burn After Reading (2008) 3/10
11. O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000) 3/10
12. Intolerable Cruelty (2003) 2/10
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Post by quentincompson on Oct 29, 2008 17:47:12 GMT
Features:
1.Blood Simple 8/10
2.Miller's Crossing 7/10
3.Fargo 6/10
4.The Big Lebowski 6/10
5.No Country for Old Men 6/10
6.Raising Arizona 5/10
7.O Brother, Where Art Thou? 4/10
8.The Hudsucker Proxy 3/10
Short:
1.Paris Je taime 2/10
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Post by svsg on Jul 20, 2009 5:05:45 GMT
Fargo Big Lebowski No Country for Old Men Burn after reading  |
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Post by ronnierocketago on Jul 21, 2009 7:31:47 GMT
What didnt work for you on BAR?
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Post by svsg on Jul 21, 2009 16:14:29 GMT
I had gotten bored with their style in this film having watched their earlier films. When i finished the film, I was like "same old, same old" yawn..
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Post by theundergroundman on Jul 22, 2009 23:23:59 GMT
1. Fargo (1996) - [blue]7.5/10[/blue]
2. Blood Simple (1984) - [blue]7/10[/blue]
3. No Country For Old Men (2007) - [blue]6/10[/blue]
4. O Brother Where Art Thou (2000) - [blue]5/10[/blue]
5. The Ladykillers (2004) - [blue]4/10[/blue]
Don't remember Raising Arizona enough to rate.
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