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Post by Omar on Mar 23, 2007 2:22:03 GMT
Yeah, the film might have been what Carmella was referring to.
When does it premiere over there?
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Post by Capo on Mar 23, 2007 13:54:53 GMT
Depends. Cable, it should start not long after it finishes on HBO, then terrestrial TV is way after that (it's onto the third episode of part 1 of this season this week!). But I have my sources, and hopefully I should be watching it along with you (if you have HBO).
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Post by Omar on Mar 23, 2007 14:05:58 GMT
(if you have HBO). Oh, this time around, I do. I made my family watch the DVDs with me, forcing them to get into the show, to the point where they would have to purchase HBO. Sure it's a drive home for me every Sunday for the beginning of the season, but hey, Meadow never missed Sunday dinner either.
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Post by Capo on Mar 23, 2007 14:13:15 GMT
Good stuff, good stuff.
Did you read that article Beth E posted on the BB? The one in which the reviewer had seen the first two or three episodes?
It seems the opener is one of those family-oriented slow-burners which everybody hates (but I happen to love, because I love everything in the show). Tony and Carm, Janice and Bobby.
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Post by Omar on Mar 23, 2007 14:18:18 GMT
I did catch that article, but I read carefully. I'm worried about knowing too much. And I have forced myself to stay away from the IMDb message boards.
To me, the season opener, "Sopranos Home Movies", sounds like it could be up there with the best of the series. The four of them in a secluded cabin, secrets come out?? I've always wondered if Tony would ever reveal to anyone the true fate of Richie Aprile, and it might just finally come out.
Or am I hoping for too much?
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Post by Omar on May 1, 2007 1:21:51 GMT
Without spoiling anything, last night's episode has had time to sit with me, and I honestly think that it was by far the worst of the entire series. I'm afraid I might be starting to agree with all of the complainers of the past season.
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Post by Omar on May 7, 2007 3:46:45 GMT
Well, once again, without spoiling anything, I have to say that last night's episode was the best in a long time. Probably the best since the Season 5 finale. Great writing, acting, etc. It really reminded me of what this show once was, and my faith has been restored, for the time being.
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Post by Capo on May 7, 2007 12:30:40 GMT
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Post by Omar on May 14, 2007 2:06:17 GMT
Tonight's episode was probably the darkest, most surreal episode of the entire series. Not to mention one of the saddest.
Mick, are you getting this anytime soon over there?
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Post by Capo on May 14, 2007 12:07:41 GMT
No, we'd have to wait about a year, perhaps more. But I've got someone who's sending me the episodes as soon as this season's over... We're up to episode #6 now, right?
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Post by Omar on May 14, 2007 14:37:34 GMT
We're up to episode #6 now, right? Yes sir. So far this season, this is how I'd rate the episodes: Episode 5 Episode 6 Episode 1 Episode 2 Episode 3 Episode 4 Five and six were phenomenal, and are among the best of the series, as far as I'm concerned. One, two, and three and are very good episodes with only some slight flaws. And I hated episode four. They really could have left it out.
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Post by Vercetti on May 15, 2007 2:49:49 GMT
Last night's episode was one of the most depressing episodes. I'm amazed how much punch it packed even though it was far from the bloodiest. The shocker was done so contrary to expectations and almost so underwhelming in terms of rumors that it was that much more effective. Tony really is spiraling into amorality and will more then likely fall into a Macbeth type of situation. His meeting with Melfi was very shocking and overall I think the last scene with "I get it" was probably one of the most profound moments in the series.
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Post by Omar on May 15, 2007 3:43:35 GMT
I think the last scene with "I get it" was probably one of the most profound moments in the series. Oh I agree. Who ever thought we would see Tony in the places he was in that episode, from the beginning to the end. I still can't believe that episode. I think it's one of those episodes where so much was revealed, that, like a great film, it will reward on repeat viewings. Incidentally, it was the only one I forgot to record. Have you been following this season Vercetti?
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Post by Capo on May 15, 2007 14:38:21 GMT
Fuck it, I'm out of here!!!
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Post by Vercetti on May 16, 2007 3:11:49 GMT
I think the last scene with "I get it" was probably one of the most profound moments in the series. Oh I agree. Who ever thought we would see Tony in the places he was in that episode, from the beginning to the end. I still can't believe that episode. I think it's one of those episodes where so much was revealed, that, like a great film, it will reward on repeat viewings. Incidentally, it was the only one I forgot to record. Have you been following this season Vercetti? You kidding? Of course. I think it's the best TV series ever. I still can't imagine what Chase has in store for us.
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Post by Omar on Jun 4, 2007 14:27:28 GMT
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Post by Omar on Jun 10, 2007 0:49:56 GMT
Oh, God, tomorrow cannot come soon enough. You're telling me. The last episode was incredible. I can only imagine what happens next.
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Post by Omar on Jun 11, 2007 3:14:46 GMT
Ok.
Ok.
Vercetti, I've read over your thoughts on the gangsterbb, but now I can not figure out how I feel about this episode. On the one hand, for a show that's infamous for it's unresolved story lines, I guess this was the only way to end it.
I can't help but think that Tony is dead though. I don't know. "You probably don't even hear it when it happens" Bobby said that in the first episode of this season. Could Meadow walking in be the last thing Tony sees?
Ah, but we'll never know, right? Well, I guess not. I think next to "The Prisoner", this show is one of the most philosophical I've seen. Think about it: Carlo, one of the main supporting characters, becomes a rat and will probably testify against Tony, putting him away for life, possibly. Yet we never really saw any of it, even though there was a clue earlier this season when Carlo was mysteriously late to Tony's house the day after Chrissy died.
And maybe that's what Chase has been saying all along? Throughout this show, there has been a labyrinth of foreshadowing and referencing to past episodes, more so than ever this season. For instance, the story of the children drowning told by Tony and Carm at the lake in the first episode this season, followed eventually by AJ's attempted suicide in the pool.
So is that what Chase is saying? We're all connected, but we'll never see how it all connects. I'm reminded of Tony's surreal trip in the desert. And what was it he saw? Evidence that there was 'more than this', right? Maybe it's that ability to see what lies ahead that Chase is warning us about. And maybe that is why it just cut off, because no matter what, there will never be a complete resolution to their stories. No movie. Nothing. Life goes on. The world never stops. How many funerals have the characters on this show attended as if it were nothing, and yet, they go on.
Wow, I really want to re-watch the last five minutes or so. But now I have a question. I thought the whole diner sequence was a little off from the start. Was it just me, or did Tony show up wearing something else, looking into the restaurant, and then he appeared in there, wearing something different? I know that doesn't make any sense, but maybe it was the editing that threw me off. I have no idea.
Mick, I really can not wait for you to read this post once you've caught up. I would love to hear your insight.
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Post by Vercetti on Jun 11, 2007 18:02:55 GMT
Tony was wearing the same stuff I think. Wit hhis jacket on it looked as if he was wearing an all-gray shirt, but off he's wearing black with gray middle.
I revised my thoughts on the end. This is how I see it.
Chase foreshadowed all through the series, and when he said the last has something to do with the first, I thought he meant the pilot, but now I'm thinking about the first of 6 part II, with him and Bobby talking about how everything goes black and you don't know when it happens/ Remember Silvio when Jerry Torciano was killed? He didn't know it happened, didn't even hear the first gunshot.
Now Tony is in the diner with his family, and Nicky Leotardo is at the diner, a trucker from a past hijacking is there, and supposedly the black guys from season 1, though I doubt that. However if Nicky Leotardo was there, I think Tony died. Perhaps what Chase wanted, was to really put ourselves in Tony's shoes, and the last thing he saw was his daughter walk in the door. However I think the way it was done is while it leans to that, it could be open to other interpretations. I think Chase used this show as a vehicle for his thoughts, feelings, and experimenting with writing, and that was the best way to end it. "Everything comes to an end." The difference is, Chase knows that there is no solid ending in life, as life goes on, so it ended with a slice of life, or perhaps Tony's demise.
Tony is an amazing character, watching how his bad childhood has shockwaved onto his own family, and how he goes on with his own friends and family, going as far as to kill his own cousins, friends, etc. I don't think any show ever realistically depicted family like the Sopranos has, at least in depiction, not really the murder.
I remember in season five when Chris bonded with Tony B, and liked him somewhat, until Tony showed up and both became bullies to him. There are so many subtleties that I love in this show. Who knows, maybe what the last scene meant is that all we have left in the end is our family. Friends come and go, like ones that were killed or flipped, but family stays with you.
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Post by Vercetti on Jun 11, 2007 18:15:21 GMT
The shirt Tony wears in the diner in the final scene looks like the shirt he wore in The Sopranos pilot episode. As well as the shirt he wore when he was shot by Junior.
While raking the leaves, Tony hears the sounds of the family of ducks flying overhead. The ducks were the catalyst for Tony's anxiety attack in the first episode.
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